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so we started to talk a little bit about phenomenology last time and about carl rogers and, uh, I mentioned that the phenomenologists were interested in experiences in some sense as the ultimate as the ultimate reality, and that's a very complicated concept to grasp
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the existentialists
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also adopted that viewpoint. they were concerned with the the quality of subjective experience, not that they were ignoring the reality of the objective experience but they were concerned with the reality of subjective experience and they were also more focused action than on on statement or belief. because here's something to think aboot you can think about this for a very long time if you're trying to understand what someone believes
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even if you're trying to analyze their representations of the world
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if you should pay attention to how they act or what they say
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and that's a profound question, even from a from a neurological posi- perspective or a neuropsychological perspective, because the memory system, that you use to represent what you say, that you believe, is not the same memory system that you use to embody your knowledge about action so it's akin to the distinction between telling someone how to ride a bike and knowing how to ride a bike those are not the same things the descriptions don't even lay very well on top of one another
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because you don't actually know how you ride a bike you just know how to do it. it's built into your physiology, right it's a skill, and that's called procedural memory, and procedural memories are the same kind of memories that that basically structures your perceptions it's not that you can't orient orient your perceptions consciously, you can but once you've oriented them consciously let's say, some goal, it's automatic procedures that take over because you really don't know how that
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you organize your senses so that you pay attention you just know how to do it now the existentialists believed that
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actions spoke louder than words and that if you were interested in belief and even if you were interested in analyzing belief that it was better for you to look at how someone acted than what they said. Now one of the things you might think with regards to rogers
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is that his psychotherapeutic practice would be predicated on the idea that that you should bring how you act into alignment with what you say you believe so that there is no discontinuity between your body, that's one way of thinking about it, and your mind and so that there are fewer paradoxes in your
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in the way that you manifest yourself in the world
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so the concentration on action is one of the fundamental characteristics of existentialism
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another one is
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the insistence upon trouble and suffering as an intrinsic element of human experience So, you could say that we concentrate Well we could say: "Ok, well built into that is Trouble, built into that is Chaos, built into that is Anxiety and Pain; and Disease.
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You can fall prey into those things Without there being something wrong with you. Now, if you pin down a psychoanalyst like Jung or Freud They would of course admit that human misery is endemic to human experience, but Freud in particular tended to look for adult psychopathology in childhood misadventure
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in pathological childhood experience he at least implicitly claimed that If you hadn't experience childhood trauma and you had developed properly what would is that you would end up healthy, roughly speaking certainly, mentally sound but the existentialists don't really buy that belief in the beginning they basically make a different claim which is that Life is so full of intrinsic misery, let's say but suffering is a better way of thinking about it suffering that
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manifests itself as a consequence of your intrinsic vulnerability, that psychopathology is built into the human experience There's no real way of avoiding it or at least...
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There's no real reason to look for extra causes that might be a better way of thinking about it and you'd be surprised how often that observation is useful for clinical clients for example because one of the things that is quite characteristic about people, especially if they are introverted and don't have many friends; they don't have people to talk to if they are suffering, maybe they are depressed or anxious or they have some sets of strange symptoms like agoraphobia
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or obsessive compulsive disorder one of the things that they always presume is that the fact that they are suffering in that manner means that there is not only something wrong with them but something uniquely wrong with them so that it is their fault and no one else is like them and one of the things that you do as a diagnostician; you know, you'll hear a lot of rattling about how labelling is bad for people and certainly myth labelling is bad for people and eve an accurate label can be a box
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you can get out of, but it is very frequently the case that you diagnose someone, it is a relief to them that you can't believe because they come into you knowing there is something isn't going properly but they think well, they are the only person facing it that it means that they are idiosyncratically strange in some incomprehensible way that no one else can possibly understand and there's no way that they can ever get better the things you do is that you point out to them
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depression and anxiety doesn't really require any explanation
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right, there is plenty of reason; I don't remember who said it "everyone has sufficient justification for suicide". I think that was the claim, well the point is that Is that you look through the experiences of the typical person Unless they are very very fortunate and they wont be that way forever that certainly is the case that they can point to traumatic experiences throughout their lives death and loss and illnesses and humiliation and all those sorts of things
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is sufficient to account for existence in the state of quasi-pemanent negative emotion now often if you see people who are depressed and anxious by nature they assume that everyone else is the smiling face of that you see on facebook and so that alienates themselves from people and from themselves even more than certainly far more than necessary part of the psycho-education that is going on in therapy is merely educated people to understand that a fair bit of misery is the norm and that
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there is plenty of genuine reason for it and so the existentialists basically start from that stance
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It's like a 'Fall of Man' stance you know, because (it) is deeply rooted in
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the Western tradition roughly speaking is the idea that people are divorced from some early paradisal fate and that is the emergence of something like self-consciousness that produced that demolition of humanity and left us in a damaged state
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and people think they don't believe that but they believe it all the time
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and it's frequently how people experience themselves as if there is something wrong that needs to be rectified
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and it seems unique in some sense to human beings it doesn't seem all that obvious that animals think that way but people definitely think that way and so all the existentialists basically take that as a given. and then, they offer another question well, given that is your lot and then, there is ample reason for misery How is that you should conduct yourself? Because merely say giving into that misery or multiplying it, doesn't seem to be
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it doesn't seem to be doing anything other than multiply it it doesn't seem to be doing anything than increase it "It is bad to begin with it", you might say well increasing it is something you have to regard as worse so how do you conduct yourself in the face of misery? Ok, how do they present that to begin with? Ok so, this is from Pascal, and this is an existential statement that describes the position of the individual in the universe you might say, or you could say it explains a deep
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characteristic of individual experience, or existence. Hence, existentialism.
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All he does is he spends his hole trying to make
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